Subj: Re: Worldpeace-Meeting
Date: 9/15/2003 10:05:28 PM Central America Standard Ti
From: hpcconcernedmember@yahoo.com
To: JohnWorldPeace@aol.com
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John,
I find it very interesting how the whole world is in a huge conspiracy against
you and only you. You seem to think that EVERYONE is lying
> Everyone is not a liar. But the all the Defendants in the lawsuit
are.
and that EVERYONE is out to get you.
> There are a lot of people who are out to get me but mostly those are people
who oppose me in legal battles.
How is that possible?
> People who live small lives and do not speak out and who are afraid to even
write an email with their name on it have minimun conflict in their lives.
I went to East Texas yesterday to force a doctor to pay significantly for his
sexual harassment of my client. The matter will not even be filed as a
lawsuit. The opposing attorney knew the reality of the situation. The
doctor would like to get me because of my role as an attorney.
> The list is pretty long in respect to those I have sued. People are
out to get me in the legal business because I make them do the right thing.
It is the nature of my business. I also get hate mail sometimes because of
my web page. People do not like me comparing Ariel Sharon with Hitler.
During the governor's race a bunch of Southern Crackers went after me because I
advocated removing the Confederate Battle Flag from the Laredo Airport.
The flags were removed without any fan fare. Some of these die hard
crackers are dangerous.
>You live a very sheltered life. Joe Delgatto knows he is going to
jail. He definitely wants to stop me. And Tom Lord may well end up
bankrupt. He definitely wants to stop me, too.
Do not be so vain
John; so vain to think that the whole church or rather the whole world
revolves around John Worldpeace.
> I really don't know what you are talking about. The whole church is
in fact reacting to what I am doing as well as the crooks at Presbytery of New
Covenant. And since I am the only person in the world whose name is
WorldPeace (except Kay), and since the whole world is looking for WorldPeace; to
some extent people in the world are reacting to me. I get a lot of hits to
my web page every minute of the day now. And every year the number of hits
doubles. More and more people are revolving around WorldPeace.
Although it is flattering to you I am sure that it is not so.
> Well you just don't sit as high on the human pyramid as I do.
You cannot see what I see economically, spiritually, politically, artistically,
and so on. And that is because you have not chosen a life of involvement
in the affairs of the world. Have you ever really thought about how many
people I talked to in person and how many people who know me by my web page.
> I have been on the internet with a web page for almost ten years. You
really just don't get it. But you are not alone. Only myself and Kay
and a two or three others really understand what I am doing and the impact I am
making far beyond the little pond of Heights Church. But like most people, since
you know me, you think it is not possible that I could be having any kind of
impact.
Well contemplate this. "THE REVOLUTION WILL NOT BE TELEVISED".
Those who have eyes, see me, those who have ears are hearing me.
So now you say that the
Judge is even in for you because Brown's firm backed her.
> Well judge Lynn Hughes on the Federal Bench here had three hearings
regarding my suit to stop the Hispanic Debates two years ago. He lectured
me in court about things he could only have gotten from Vincent and Elkins.
He was dancing to their drum beat. All judges are elected with the
backing of the large law firms in this state. The law needs to be changed
such that judges announce to all the attorneys how much money they have received
from the law firms of the opposing attorneys. If this was required, you
will see a lot more justice. All judges are forced to acknowledge the
biggest law firms in the state. That is just the way it is. But again you
wouldn't know how things really work would you? If the truth was
known about how the legal sytem works, there would be a revolt among the people.
Justice is hard to come by in out legal system. Or do you remember OJ.
I just can not believe you think this way.
> That is because you just have not put yourself in a place in your life of
being involved. You did not get the education to give you a leg up on what
was going on. You did not chose a job that would involve you with people
your whole adult life. You made choices that had to do with money as
opposed to choices that had to do with life experiences both in the human
society and in the spiritual world. You pray every day but how much
of what Jesus said do you really live. I would venture to say that
you know about as much about how the spiritual reality impacts on the phsyical
world as you know about the legal business. And why is that? Because
you have not spent a life meditating on it and experimenting with it.
> Monks and priests and ministers work from a sheltered pedestal. I
have read, studied and meditated as much as any priest or "man of god"
but I did not use that knowledge to set up a church or a following. I used that
knowledge to see how it really worked in the combative trenches of everyday
life.
This woman I represented yesterday is a nice person. She will not harm
anyone. But from age 9 - 13 her step father had sex with her every
weekend. Think about that. Do you deal with those kinds of things?
Have you ever had people come to you who had been permanently scarred from that
kind of relationship and asked for you help in making sense of it all? No
you haven't. Do you understand that these people come to me not just to
stop people from hurting them but in addition they almost always want to know
why it happened to them? I do not have all the answers, but I do have some
input based on book knowledge and other similiar experiences. You chose to
live in a small pond. I chose to live in the Infinite All. And that
is the difference between us.
So
15 people stayed for the meeting? I don't know where you went to school
John but even back when I went to school 15 people (even less than that were
actual members) was a lot less than half the congregation.
> I really sometimes wonder why I spend my time responding to you. Do
you attend all the political rallies that your favorite candidate puts on in the
local area? Does your non attendence mean you do not support that
candidate? Most of the people did not come yesterday because they have
seen how vicious the Ellis's and Grable's are. And do you remember Barbara
Myers yelling and getting hysterical last year at one of the meetings. Do
you remember Susy Cisne running around like a chicken with her head cut off.
Do you remember the confrontation? Or were you even there? I have done a
good job of keeping people informed. And the opposition has done a good
job creating a combative atmosphere. The elderly fear brutes like John
Blanco.
> We will see what happens in the official congregational meeting in two
weeks if they do not cancel it again. That is going to be a real show let
me tell you. They ought to charge admission.
You have said so many times that you represent half the congregation and
I just
don't
see 15 people being half.
> Everyone who comes to one of these informal meetings becomes a target for
Patty and the Grables. Again, you are not sitting in my place. You
are outside the loop and I am right in the middle. You have no idea what
is really going on. You have no idea what I am doing. You have no
idea what is going on in the church. You have no idea what is going on in
the courts. And why is this? Because you are not involved to the degree
that I am and have been since April of last year. And you have actually
believed a compulsive liar like Joe Delgatto. Amazing.
Besides after talking to several members that did attend church yesterday say
that
not
counting you, your wife and your assistant there were maybe only 10 MEMBERS
there at your meeting.
> Well I am not Jesus, but he changed the world with about a dozen men.
Hitler, about a half dozen. Martin Luther King with about a half dozen.
Gandhi made changes for the most part on his own. The way the world works
is that a few committed people dictate to the herd. Look at Patty Ellis
before I came on the scene. What a psychotic little tin goddess she had
made herself. And who challenged her? And now tell me that she has
done great things for the church.
Also I did check into your comment on the Ellis' and the Grable's about their
meeting. After doing some checking around I found out that the only
people that had a meeting in the Session room was the Missions and Outreach
Committee.
> After church, I went to the session room because that is where we had
our last informal meeting. We did that because the choir was going to
practice. I went to see if the room was available. Patty, Walter,
Stephanie and her kids, and the Grable mob was in there. Benny was in the
hall. I stuck my head in there to see if the room was available and asked
if they were using the room. The answer was yes and as I left, Benny
entered and shut the door. Who knows what happened after that. If
they say they were not all in there, then they are lying.
> It amazes me how you have focused on the most insignificant and irrelevant
facts. Why don't you take a crack at answering a few of the 75 +/-
questions that I asked on August 25th?
You were wrong there were only 4 members in attendance and I am sure you
saw
them
leave as they walked out during your meeting. You should not assume things
because you do not know the actual situation.
> I did not assume anything. I just said all these people were meeting with
each other after church. I have no idea what happened after they left.
I had my on agenda. A few people walked out of the church about 12:45 but
I could not tell you who they were. As it turns out, all the doors were
locked except the one at the main entrance. We found this out when we
finished out meeting and left.
Lastly,
I asked if every woman in the church is sent an invitation to the Women's
Breakfast and I was told that yes indeed every woman in the congregation was
sent an invitation.
> And when you ask people who are liars questions, what do you expect
them to say. These are the people who have shut down the church as opposed
to having a conversation about the church. And why is this, because they
are dark souls who live by their lies. They hide in darkness and refuse to
come into the light. They lock the doors to the church and close the
membership.
So my question is this: I have attended every breakfast with the exception of 1
and
I
have yet seen Joyce, Irma, Carol or Idabel attend a breakfast. Why is
that?
> Well I think for the same reason that the Grables or Ellis's did not
attend the SNAPS event a few weeks ago. The church is divided in half.
The two halfs do not associate with each other. Neither side feels
welcomed by the other. And the sad sad thing is that you cannot see that
the church is divided and that the lying little minister has no clue as to how
to solve it and no desire to solve it. And that seems to go for the
Administrative Commission as well doesn't it. Wake up.
You have made such a dramatic story out of the fact that none of the corrupt
members
attend Quilting so why does Joyce not attend the breakfast if she is indeed
invited?
> Same answer as above. The church is divided and Delgatto has gone out
of his way to increase the barriers between the two groups. He does not
want new members to join the church part because they will not gravitate to
Patty and the Grables and so their power will be diluted. But I have a
plan to solve that as well. Stay tuned.
> I had an open meeting. And guess what, 15 people showed up. Out
of the whole congregation, only 15 were willing to come forth and talk and try
to heal the church. That is the problem. And you can't see it can
you. That little meeting Sunday showed just how bad things are.
> The money is safe for now. Those in charge know they are being
watched. That is all that really matters. Whoever is left when this
mess is over, will have the money to rebuild the church. Even the
Commission has had to admit that the budget must be balanced or the church will
go bankrupt. They say in 2012. I say in 2005 if the lawsuit had not
been filed.
Sadden Heart
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